Hey Nithyananda – Was that Repeated Rape or a Divine Act? – 2 Dec 10

Sex

We read a little bit more about Nithyananda today and we were actually laughing about several of the news articles that we saw. There are quite a lot of excuses that spiritual masters have for having sex – and they are always the same, too. They give an argument and try to be intellectual about why you should have sex with them. People are told: This is not ordinary sex, nothing dirty. It is a tantric ritual, the divine unity of male and female. Yin and Yang. Some say ‘I am Krishna, you all are gopis.’ And Nithyananda obviously said to one of the women who now accused him of rape: ‘I am Shiva and you are Parvati’. If anybody else does it, it is just ordinary sex, but if we do it, it is a divine act. Oh well…

It is already ridiculous if you look at this side of the coin. If you turn it around and look at what the ‘victims’ say, you may wonder as well. When he was in the US, Nithyananda is said to have enjoyed American culture and went to some strip clubs. Having seen and experienced professional lap dances, he decided that he should have this at home, too, and ‘forced his female followers to do the same’. I tried to imagine how you can force someone to do a lap dance for you but I did not quite succeed, do you?

Another one of those funny allegations is how a woman describes his misdeeds. She told she was ‘repeatedly raped by Nithyananda, not only at his Bidadi ashram but in other parts of the country as well’. Again, my imagination failed. How exactly can rape take place repeatedly and then also in different parts of the country? Does this mean Nithyananda is just an ordinary stalker, following her around the country and attacking her whenever she is alone? Or was she following her guru on his India tour and had a VIP pass to his bedroom?

Whatever will happen in this trial or hearing, there will be accusations and taking advantages of loopholes of laws. In this kind of court cases the truth rarely is revealed. Whoever can make the better story will win. But overall it is not a good image for the spiritual scene in the whole world if God needs to be an excuse for having sex. It is a natural desire, fulfill it in respectful, loving ways and be honest about it. Not that difficult, is it?

News Articles:

http://www.mid-day.com/news/2010/dec/021210-news-bangalore-swami-nithyananda-sex-cid-divine-act.htm

http://www.rediff.com/news/report/nithyananda-aides-charged-with-rape-unnatural-sex/20101129.htm

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  1. Hans-Christian Vom Kolke

    Is this weird or what !? 😉

  2. Rajesh Geer

    oh!How cheaply this grand science of yoga has fallen.From a past time of emperors and genius avatars…now the plaything of frivolous gurus.

  3. Deniz

    There are always some women who will be sexually attracted to any man in a position of high social status, and gurus are no exception. In such cases, if the man wants to bed them, any excuse will do, whether it is “I’m Krishna and you’re gopis”, or “This is tantra”. To the willing partner, just about any excuse will work fine.

  4. David

    I saw some monkeys getting it on today, it looked terrible! One male monkey just running around jumping everyone! Some gurus… sigh.

  5. anpnymous

    I just read this article. In addition to rape Nithyananda was charged with participating in “Unatural sex”. I was a confused about what that could possibly mean. The answer, in my opinion is a terrifying asault on the rights of homosexuals or consenting adults that wish to engage in other forms of sexual activity that lie on the cultural periphrial. Here is a brief description from Wikipedia below:
    The Indian Penal Code (IPC), of which Section 377 forms a part, was drafted in 1860 by Lord Macaulay as a part of the colonial project of regulating and controlling the British- and Indian-origin subjects. It reads:

    377. Unnatural offences: Whoever voluntarily has carnal intercourse against the order of nature with any man, woman or animal, shall be punished with imprisonment for life, or with imprisonment of either description for term which may extend to ten years, and shall also be liable to fine.
    Explanation: Penetration is sufficient to constitute the carnal intercourse necessary to the offense described in this section.[1][2]

    The ambit of Section 377, which was devised to criminalize and prevent homosexual associations – sodomy in particular, extends to any sexual union involving penile insertion. Thus even consensual heterosexual acts such as fellatio and digital penetration may be a punishable offense under this law.

  6. Cheryl

    This sounds a little strange to me too Swami Ji. I am not sure how convincing someone to sleep with you is the same as forcing someone to sleep with you. I cannot believe that cheating is a crime or that someone would believe that they were having sex with god. This just doesn’t make sense to me although I do not doubt that it made sense to this woman, just because I cannot imagine it. I worry that these articles (especially the first) imply that women are like children, easily manipulated and that the law must protect them from themselves but I do not want to ignore the tremendous social pressure that a devotee of a Guru might be under. If you believe your guru is god perhapse it would feel impossible to refuse sex with him even if no part of you wanted to do this. I think that is an absolutly dreadful situation for this women, if that is in fact the case.

  7. Kristin Street

    There is a difference between physically forced and emotionally or socially forced sex. And I strongly believe that they are both forms of forced sex, or rape. However, how can you have the same penalty for both and further more how can you hold a man responsible for the interworkerings of another persons mind? Don’t get me wrong, part of me would love to. This woman may feel very hurt and damaged after sleeping with this man. And it is sad that she went through with it despite not wanting to, if her story is true). But sleeping with him is not his fault if she concented to this. It may have felt very difficult for this woman to say “no” to her Guru. I just, unfortunatly don’t see a reasonible alternative for this kind of situation. If she lets him she lets him. What would happen to men if each time a woman felt pressure to have sex he risks being charged with rape? I know it isn’t easy at all but we women must stand up for ourselves and believe in our own rights. A lot of cultures discourage that in women. And I don’t know how that can be aleviated.

  8. Kerry Dalton

    This is why we have laws in the US against boss/employee relationships. So that a person is not subjected to this kind of emotional coersion.

  9. Bengi Berry

    Where do you draw the line between emotional and physical force? I think that it is very hard to say. If someone threatens to do harm to you if you don’t have sex with them is that so different than rape? If someone damns you out of favor with god and you believe that this is possible how is that so different from physical force and then again how would you ever draw this line in a court of law? That seems impossible.

  10. Tanya Lyn

    I prefer to see sex as two gods coming together to enjoy what they can make with each other. I extremely dislike the idea that someone says “I am a god, have sex with me as a subservient.” I suppose you can convince someone you are a god and then maybe they feel honored that you would be willing to sleep with them, other than that… how could these beliefs possibly work on people? I would be extremely offended, and AM extremely offended, that people out there claim these things.

  11. Chris Robbins

    This seems like a very confusing and difficult case.

  12. Shelly

    How do you hold people responsible for masquerading as gods if they and their followers truly believe that they are god? I am disgusted and yet trying to figure out how these people’s minds work. Maybe Nith really does think he’s like god. (how is that possible? is what my brain is screaming) If I thought I was God and wanted to sleep with a particular woman I think it would make perfect sense.

  13. Lizzy Hardy

    If this woman believed that God was commanding her to perform sexual acts and she truly believed this (I am convinced she did) then she could not say no. What is the difference between that and rape? It is rape. But I agree that this disgusting excuse for a guru cannot be held criminally responsible for this in the way he could have with physical force.

  14. Krishna

    I think that is important to keep in mind that nobody knows what actually happened. We may be able to make educated guesses but we will never know and can never be sure.

  15. David

    Shelly,There is no god! This is all a sick joke to get women to sleep with them. I doubt even Nithyananda believes there is a God. He of all people who has spent his life pursuing God would know better than us all that there. is. no. god.
    I know you know that Nithyananda.

  16. Cynthia

    Look, if you believe in an all powerful God who decides rights and wrongs and the fate of the earth then of course you will sleep with him when he asks you.You know mobsters use the same kinds of threats- maybe your family will be killed or your children will die mysteriously if you don’t do what they say. Same thing with God when people believe that God is this way. I would have slept with him too if I truly believed my children would mysteriously get sick and die for me not saying “yes” to “god.”

  17. Rebecca Thomas

    There is something about the word “rape” that seems to lead to interegation. All over the world, among all types of people, with varying beliefs, I have NEVER dicussed rape without suspicious eyes turning in the direction of the female victim; whether the victim be a prostitute or a beaten and blooded virgin, comatose in a hospital room. Why does this happen?

  18. Jeff Morgan

    I think this article is one more example of how many many men and women (because of nature or nuture) think about sex in very different ways and do not understand the other.

  19. Mackala

    What is wrong with a man, no matter his occupation, going to a strip club? i think that it is gross and I would not go there myself. But why can’t he and what does have to do with whether or not he would commit rape? Both objectify women but the two acts are still quite different.

  20. Hilary

    Consent often becomes confused with submission

  21. Brianna Rice

    Sex is a beautiful and wonderful thing. And there is so much pain around it. It is difficult to conseptualize. There is something mysterious about that to me. And even more specifically with rape, I understand FULLY on an emotional level why rape is so infuriating and such an extreme violation and still I have never heard someone tell me why and never tried to ask myself that question. I am sure that rape is not okay. It is aweful and I don’t know how to explain why. Sex is a very funny (in an odd way) and mysterious thing.

  22. Jesse

    When I was studying in West Africa at the University of Ghana in Legon, I started a campaign against the rape of female university students who were being assulted by other students as well as their professors. I couldn’t beleive this was happening. One part of the process was distributing a survey, campus wide, in order to understand the cultural/social proponents behind these acts. Both male and female students viewed rape (with only 4 exceptions among 3,500 surveys) as a natural male reaction to female “teasing, flirting, or encouragment”. What was encouragment? Being a nonchristian. Smiling at or speaking with boys especially after dark. Walking alone. Dressing provacativly (showing the knees or wearing high heels). Let me say that most of the women I interviewed were wearing short skirts and highheels. That aside these criteria were rediculous. I asked some of the men I interviewed personally if they considered themselves to be such wild animals that they had no controle over their bodies or actions. They would answer, insulted, “Of course I do!” but then insist that this controle and rape were not related. If this kind of behavior from women is too provocative then it follows that women should cover themselves from head to toe, lock themselves in their house and never leave without being escorted by a man. Women should be slaves in this world of men if they want to behave well enough to not cause their own rape. This is absolutly repugnant. The scariest thing is that I see traces of this barbaric thinking among people that I consider to be progressive. So often, when a women claims to have been raped the questions “Was she really?” and “What did she do to encourage this?” seem to arise, even in liberated minds. Why does this happen? I must ask myself a thousand times over. I am baffled by it. Undoubtably there are cases where women say they are rapped and were not and heresay is not substanstial enough evidence to put anyone in jail for a good reason. But why is rape responded to like this by so many people? This is a question that I currently have not a clue as how to answer but I think it is one that MUST be asked.

  23. Claudia Strauss

    When you hear about rape prevention you hear about what women should do to protect themselves (this often includes some clothing restrictions and so often what men for some reason call “inviting” is only considered by women in terms of style and beauty). Let’s take, “Women should travel in groups.” That may be a way to be safer but I do wonder why you don’t hear “Men should have a 4 pm curew or be forced to take pills that make them impotent except on nights when their wives have decided they want to have sex.” Seriously. Is it not just as ridiculous to restrict women’s clothing? I am a heterosexual woman and I dare say that seeing a man in a tight shirt with short shorts on would not entice me to rape him, to physically force myself on him or even speak to him sexually. The victoms of rape, men, women are children are NEVER to blame.

  24. Ian Black

    There is always a rotten apple and it shouldn’t spoil the bunch. It makes me sad to think about the kind of name this guru is giving his other gurus and religious/spiritual institutions in general. I hope that people do not rush to think of all gurus in this light. That happened so quickly in the US when sexual molestation cases surfaced among cathlic priests.

  25. Rockell Jackson

    I can’t believe this. It is maddness!

  26. Mary Whethers

    I don’t agree with what this guru has done but it sounds a lot like this women wasn’t raped at all. She is doing unforgivable harm to this man by accusing him of rape. How could she do that? That could cost him his freedom for the rest of his life!

  27. Lidya Simons

    How can you force a lap dance? Puppet strings? I don’t mean to be insensitive and I know things are more complicated than this but because rape and sexual assault stir up such extreem responses and consequences, people must be very careful and very honest when explaining the ways that they were or felt sexually harrassed.

  28. Anna Abernathy

    The word rape is loaded. I think the word attempts to make clear right and wrongs out of something that is much more complicated than that.

  29. Haiz Op.

    This guru is a really dissapionting person.

  30. Emily

    It is clear that Nithyananda is lying to himself. But why? What is his fear in realizing the truth?– that sex is normal; that he is a normal human for having sex; that religion is wrong in claiming that spiritual people can’t have sex. If only he could just awaken to the truth, it would make his life a lot more simple.

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